132. Spiritual WTF: Aaron Gonzalez on Building Inclusive Healing Events

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Let's go Hey. Hey, Hey, and welcome to Mind Power Meets Mystic. I'm Cinthia Varkevisser, your spiritual shit disturber and intuitive integrity coach. And Mind Power Meets Mystic, my pal and mind power hypnotherapist Michelle Walters, is out this session so that I can hog up our guest all to myself, and this week's guest is my friend and colleague, which is kind of a crazy thing to say, right? Aaron Gonzales. Aaron Gonzales and I have known each other for about a decade, and he has done many amazing things, and right now he is producing his own spiritual fairs, correct? Yes, and we're going to talk to him about this, this transition from all the work that he's done to this spiritual Fair, which is called what Aaron, spiritual

WTF experience, or a spiritual What the fuck, as everybody likes to say.

So thanks so much for being on the show, Aaron.

Thank you for having me. I am excited to be here and talk about my journey.

Yeah. Well, here's the deal. We've been talking a few times already about, well, not just talking about, we've been doing these Instagram lives and having a fucking great time doing at least it is for me, yeah, and yeah, these quick things that are supposed to happen end up being an hour long. So it kind of makes sense just to, instead of having it always on your side, to have you as a guest as well. Alright, it's

nice. So to be on that end, actually too, you just come in and no planning, right?

Yeah, that's, that's the beauty of being a guest. So let's talk about how we met and and how this relationship started kind of cool, right?

Yeah, yeah. I, I actually remember I was, I feel like I was just telling someone this, just like this past week, but I remember, actually, the first time I met you was the second time I went to, what is it? I keep wanting to say, Angel. Our Angel light for you in bookstore in Berkeley. And you were the second person I'd ever gone to for a reading. I don't remember much of what happened with the reading, but I remember you had asked me. You're like, hey, come back. I have a, I have a two o'clock class, if you want to, you know, stay. It's just an hour and a half away, or whatever. And I was like, I'll let you know which is usually like or like, my my symbol for or my phrase for like, probably not, but I'll, you know, gentle decline type of thing. And I wouldn't have lunch down the street. Now, as I was eating, I was like, You know what? I want to check it out. And I came back to the class, and I remember everything you described after we did whatever we did. I remember feeling it and doing that. And I was like, Wow, do I have? Do I Do I have a gift? You know, I've always been interested in metaphysics and stuff, and I think ever since then, I was kind of hooked.

Yeah, so Angel light books is a crazy it's a great place, and it's, it's shifted, so I'm sad that I'm not there anymore. But, um, what I was doing is I was doing a series of classes, like three, three sets of classes, three, you know, three session series. And you caught one of them? Yeah, I wonder which one it was, because we've done a few.

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was great. That was the remotes. That was remote space clearing. Really, it was about taking a look at people's spaces and seeing how you can help them. Remove reuse, remove reuse or recycle. And there was something else, yes, so that right? So you either got rid of it, oh, release, release, replace or recycle, so that you could either have them put it in a different room where the energy serves it better. Gotta get rid of it or or you use it for something else. You know what? Jordan, I remember you in. I remember you in. It was a, it was actually a form of psychometry. So everybody brought something of their own from the class. And you had pictures, I

remember that one, and Arlen had mine. Yeah, it was so

funny. I really, yeah, that was, that was a really good one, because it was about, again, it was another, I think that was a part of the same series.

I think so it was, I think it was the next class after that, and I had some pictures, I think, I don't know if I brought more, but I know I brought pictures, I think, with an X or something. I don't even know why I kept them. And I was like, I don't need them. And, you know, Arlen said she ended up taking them, and she's like, I burned those pictures for you. I was like, Oh, damn. Okay, isn't

that funny? But it was, the nice part about it is, yeah, that person who gave the reading for you, they took responsibility so that, so that you could just hand it over and then be done. And because they they don't have that emotional attachment, it's not that big of a deal. That was actually a really that was actually a really fun class, another class that I thought was a lot of fun, especially for you, although for some people's a little bit hard, was the bullshit class.

I mean, you're gonna see that, yeah, it was hard. It's hard too, because you're kind of, you're kind of, like, being called out, and you're like, Oh, really. And, you know, and then you kind of think about, you're like, Okay, you're right, you know, but, but you don't really see it until it kind of, it kind of gets called out. But it could be harsh. It could be it could be harsh, but I was, I had fun with it. I was excited for it. I didn't, I don't think I took it too personal, but I was like, you could fill it in your gut, you know, where it's where it kind of is, like, you know, they're, they're turning that knob inside to say, like, Nope, that's not right, you know, trying to peel the layers off and stuff. So I liked it.

I think that's who you are. You like that in well, because the famous story between the two of us, yeah, is because I was doing quick 15 minute readings there at the bookstore, is that you came in, you sat down with a sigh, Okay, time for an ass kicking. I hurt my feelings. What's that?

I think I did that multiple times more than at least. I know I did it more than once, for sure. So, like, yeah, yeah. Or, if not, no, I sure I said it to you. But I know for sure I was like, I would talk to, like, you know, my friends, whatever. Like, Okay, I gotta get another ass kicking, you know, let me, let me go talk to Cinthia. So it was really funny. I mean, it was enjoyed it and, you know, I and it was, it was nice to know I wasn't the only one to say that after a while, when you finally told it, yeah. But so I think it was good, though it helped me, because I needed, I needed directness at the time. And I think that was, I was very stubborn, and probably still am, but I was very stubborn then.

So, well, I mean, we're both, we're both really strong minded, right? So it makes, it makes sense, and it makes sense why it was. It was a really good fit for for the two of us. You have

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that's That's brilliant. And so the thing that first of all, let's talk about what chakra talk is. So shocker talk is recognizing that people speak or communicate from a one specific chakra, sometimes two, but mainly one. It may not always be the same chakra that you communicate with. So how is it that we can open up our communication skills so that my chakra can connect with your chakra, and then your chakra can make that reciprocating connection, and then we have communication, and and then we elevate that conversation from chakras to spirit, right? So it's a, I know it's a big, long process, but it's actually really cool because, well, let's just talk about us, you and I don't always speak from an emotional an emotional place, right? Right? That doesn't mean that our our emotional chakra isn't working, but Right, but there's but we come from a just a different space, and so by seeing what chakra they come from, we can be really mindful of what words to use or how to approach that person based on the chakra that they're communicating with. And so bravo to you for doing one, medium work, because a girl came through, right? And then two, there's, you know, grief work happening, because obviously you know that person sitting in front of you has been holding had been holding on to it for decades, right? And then three, yeah, is chakra talk. So that's a lot of stuff, and, and it was great, because it's a great story, because you're, you are completely in service to that person, yeah,

yeah. And that was the, that was the thing, while you know me, like it was, I had to completely remove myself, because I'm, like, this is a serious thing. Like, this is like, you know, work that I was, I mean, I kind of knew you'd get there, I guess. But like, I didn't process it until I was in the moment of it and actually telling her, like, whatever I needed to tell her. And I just it was one of the like, I said, I probably will never forget that, because even to this day, I I tell that story at least couple times a year to someone new, and it's like, one of my. Experiences that kind of told, like, taught me, like, this is, this is some real work, and, you know, I like to have fun with it and play around. But sometimes it's not about, you know, that it's about, like you said, being of service. And so I'm still learning how that works, you know, in my own ways and stuff. But that definitely, definitely shifted me, for sure, right? Experience? Yeah,

I'm glad you like that. That's actually one that's the hardest for me to communicate, but I also know it's the most important, because if you can connect to someone, chakra, to chakra, right then, then there's a connection that goes beyond words, because there is an energy that goes with it, and then we can, we can shift it up. So yeah, that was a tough class, but it was a good one. It was a really good one. Yeah,

I think that that would be good for like, those, like, mastermind type of classes, or whatever those are called. So, because it's I, it's, I think didn't you end up doing, like another series that wasn't that, like a whole series, like six, six, I wasn't say six episodes, give me six Class series or six classes, yeah, yeah, that's it was even then it was still, it was still hard. I think that needs to have like, three or or four different, like levels of classes or something, because it's, it's a good one. I love it, but it's, I think it's a struggle for me, yeah,

that was, well, you weren't alone. It was an ass kicker. And what it, what it showed me, was that I was on to something because everybody wanted it, and they were having a hard time, like really, really figuring it out, and when they did click, it was absolutely beautiful, right? Was absolutely beautiful. But so I love that we're talking about my classes, but I also want to thank you because you helped me on another piece of my journey, which was when I started doing 5d and that's where we're connecting right now. Yeah, right. Is the 5d work, the the working with enduro Endura. And I think you were there from the get right as part of my, you know, pig, yeah, the guinea pig

part of it, yeah. I loved it. I think, I think for me too, you know, because it's been, like, at least eight years or so that you, you know, started that, and I remember, like, when the whole concept of it came up, I was like, what, what does this mean? But I really loved it, the idea of it, I think because you're like, you're talking to something different. You're talking to something, you know, that's not in our 3d 4d world. And I think that's what fascinated me about it. But then also the messages were, like, quick and to the point, and like, I had, like, I think I told you the other day, I would sit down, I would write them out, like, the because I would record the messages and I would write it out so that way I can look at it and like, process it, and like, really try to instill them into me. And I think a lot of a lot of the, you know, the choices and things that I've done has definitely shifted because of a lot of the 5d messages and guidance and yours as well. Of course, you know, I come to you when I need stuff also, but I was like, I love the 5d I don't know. And I still, to this day, I'm like, let's do it, because it's, you know, you don't have to sit there for like, you know, ever to like, for them to just be like, This is what you're doing. This is what you can do to improve. This is what's, you know, blah, blah, blah, whatever the message is. And it's, it just resonates with me a lot. And so I'm always like, 5d let's do it. Let's do it. It's great, you know. And of course, sometimes I'm scared to ask some questions because I don't want to, you know, I don't, I don't want to get the maybe I don't want to, I don't want to say, I don't want to get the message. I'm not probably ready to confront some of it, so I don't ask sometimes now, now, with all the, all the years of experience that I've had, you know, especially with those repetitive, one minute long responses of the same five words or whatever, and they're like, you're not understanding. And we've told you this here it is, boom, boom, boom, the same thing. That was hilarious. That's it. That was a good one. I think, I think, I think they have a humor as well. So it's

a funny thing. I mean, the fact that the, is it okay if I just say with them, yeah, go ahead, let people know. Yes, I think you asked, What's the message

for the year, right? What is my theme for the year? Because we would always do that every new year, yeah. And then it was,

the message is love, the message is love, the message is love, the message, and it just kept going. And I remember being in fifth dimension, and everybody's laughing, and I want to laugh, but I can't break the connection. And I knew I would, and I was like, when is it going to stop? I

wish you, you must have said it at least 15 times. And at first I was like, okay, okay. And a few times. And then afterwards, we're just like, Oh, my God, all right, I I guess I really need to understand. And I mean, I'm still, I'm still learning that too, you know, that's, think that's one of my major lessons, just in life in general. And so it was, it was comical, like, you know, sometimes our friends will still bring it up to this day. And was like, remember that one time? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, I mean, that's gotta be a sense of humor. I never really thought of it that way. So there's gotta be a sense of humor in order to, just, like, have that repetition that it just kept and just so, you know, I don't think it has has happened since. I don't think that has happened

since they were probably like, this guy, he's just not getting it. Let's, let's go on his level. And I thought it was funny, but it. It, it really hit. And so I was, I loved it. And it's, I mean, it's a great story as well. So,

yeah, no, it's, it was, it was really good. And, you know, we've had a lot of fun doing those things together. Yeah, the thing that I love the most, though, is that we've shifted our relationship, right? And that that, yeah, you came in as a as a client. And I mean, I mean, let's just take it to the next level. Is that I do real estate as well, and I actually helped you right by your house, but I want to go. We're not going to talk about that. Well, we could, but not right now. So the though, the levels of our relationship have been shifting and shifting, and now I am, you know, asking to be at your events, right? So Tell, tell us. So everyone where you are, how that happened, and, yeah, because it's, it's kind of a miracle, right? It's one of those things where you made, like, a pretty huge leap. Yeah,

I did, and I and I even thinking back, I'm like, geez, I don't like I, if I'm going to do something and I really want to do it, I tend to do it as as big as I can. Granted, I did pull the reins back a little bit from my first event, because I had so many other ideas. And I was like, Well, let me just let me, let me tone it down a little bit. And so, so, yeah, I mean, it's, it's crazy. I never thought that I would be, you know, hosting my own events or anything, and that's what I do for my normal like, nine to five. And so I decided, why am I going to be, you know, doing all this stuff and working extra hard for, you know, corporates and corporations and things like that. And instead, why don't I just combine the two things that I that I enjoy, which is where, you know, events and spiritual work kind of came into play. And I was really afraid when it when I was going to do I was, I had this huge fear. And I think I told you about, I had this big fear of, like, putting my face out there, and, you know, putting just even, putting in the work, even if I didn't do my put my face on, on, you know, social or anything, which I'm doing more now. But ended up doing, like, a weekend retreat, which was part of your 5d experience with sound healing. And then I went to another event, the woo in the redwoods, and I did their whole day. I did, like, two meditations. I had some ancestral stuff happen there. And literally, the next day, like any fear that I had just disappeared, like whatever the ancestors did, that event was gone. And so all of a sudden I was like, I'm gonna do it. And I took a little bit of a minute to decide what it was going to be. And I was like, I and everything just went spiritual, WTF, spiritual. And I was like, Fine, let's do it. Because that's kind of my energy, right? It's like, I'm like, What, man, you know, I always have those, like, literally, the WTF moments I always talk about. They're, like, happening to me at least on a weekly basis, if not, you know, multiple times a day. And so from there, I just kind of said, Let's do it. And I, you know, created these events and put my trust in the universe. And a lot of times I I'll just talk about something, or I'm hoping something happens, and, like, the next day maybe someone appears, or something appears that kind of like, guides me to where I need to be, even when I've had, like, the doubts of not wanting to to to do it like, because there's been moments where I was like, Is this right? Like, should I continue all of a sudden? Like, something just presents itself, and I'm like, Okay, I see you, you know universe. And so it's, I think it's, it's something where I need a place where I need to be, and I like it, because I didn't expect to create community. I was just, let's just build these events, because that's what I know how to do at a corporate level. And I know I've learned that it's a little bit different, or, well, a lot different, for community style like this. And it's, it's actually really cool for me to be able to see, you know, people that have just met at my events all of a sudden starting their own things together and doing their own like events. And, you know, creating more awareness of just like, be your true self, be your, you know, find your whatever your gifts are, you know, put it out there to the world and be of service and stuff. And so it's, it's a little bit surprising, because, again, I did not expect that, and it's really cool to see, and it's just kind of growing from there. And I think my, one of my goals is, I want to, you know, help people, especially you know, underrepresented people, you know, share their gifts. You know, come, come and, you know, be a part of our event as as someone that's you know, in the you know, person of color in the community as well. Because I don't, I've noticed that there's not a lot of representation when it comes to these spiritual events as well. And there's a bunch of reasons for that as well, which we can probably go into another episode

for that. But, yeah, let's do it. Let's have another episode for that. Yeah, oh yeah.

I would love to, oh I Yeah. That would be a great conversation. Because just from what I'm seeing, I've actually had people come up to me and they're just, they're like, thank you so much for having this event. Thank you so much for for representation at least once, one time, if not more than that, at every event that I've had. And so I'm like, yeah, that's, that's what I want to do. I want to help people learn and and help to help them to get out there and, you know, face their fears, just like we're doing getting more into the social world here. And I'm going to start doing more on my podcast and on my live streams as well. So I. A little bit nerve wracking, but I think it's, it's something I need to do, just for my own, my own sanity and and goals, I guess. Yeah,

so let me quickly put in here that your podcast is intuitive, WTF, yes, and that spiritual WTF is really cohesive. Uh, we'll start off with your favorite thing, which is, there's really good food that lines up. It's healthy, it's tasty, it's delicious, it's robust. Your your event is robust. There are talks, there are interactives, there's music, there are services. There is, you know, products, there's art, there are so many different things, and it's really amazing. And for and, you know, an OG like me, I get to see some people I hadn't seen in years, right? So there are a couple of people I was like, Holy shit, you know. So seeing Aisha and CJ and seeing them in a while. And then you had Christy karate there, who I hadn't seen in a really long time. And this most fun part was seeing old students going and work that work in their fucking magic, you know, right? Body work, meditation products, you know? And you actually do readings yourself, and you do Reiki as well, but you found that this is more fun for you right now than the readings are,

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very powerful. I'm really grateful, and I'm so impressed by, you know, seeing you transition from student and to this masterful person and producer of events and still learning. So why don't you everybody what's going on for your next events, so that they can keep an eye on it, and then I'll make sure that it's also in the show notes.

Yeah, yeah. So my next event is actually, what, just over a week away March 30, at Heather Farms and Walnut Creek. So we have, actually, we have so much going on. We have one we have Cinthia here doing 5d channel messages. So if anyone wants to come and join that, definitely sign up for that. We also have past life regression workshop as well as a manifesting workshop. We got some free yoga from yoga six of Walnut Creek as well as we have some live music. We'll have meditations, as well as there's something else I'm missing. Oh, sound healing. At the end, four o'clock, we're going to have a big sound healing that's available for everybody. But again, we have all these healers, all these amazing folks that are right there, willing, and, you know, wanting to help people heal. And you know, vibe up. So if you want to find out more about what's going on, you can visit spiritual wtf.com, and let us know you're coming RSVP. And you know, if you do want to sign up for one of the experience workshops, like Cinthia is hosting, that is a $35 cost for that, but it's a great experience, for sure. I I tell everyone, like the 5d messages really help to shift my perspectives, and honestly, probably got me to where I'm where I'm at, because I'm a stubborn ass. So those messages certainly

helps. You're amazing. Well, listen, it's been fucking awesome hanging out with you. And I wish, well, I don't wish, because we're going to do another episode of talking about underrepresented, the underrepresented people who are these amazing healers and and I look forward. To our time together at spiritual WTF. And we'll also talk about ones that are coming up in the show notes, so that people, they don't make it next week, right? That that there are others, and they are in the Bay Area, um, Walnut Creek, right now, and that there will be some others going on,

yes, we're going to be moving a little bit around the the bay. So more so East Bay, possibly Southern, South North Bay, if that makes sense. But we'll see. I'm finalizing locations right now. So it needs to

happen, right? This needs to happen. This, this sharing of energy. So thank you so much. You've been listening to my power meets mystic with Aaron Gonzalez of spiritual WTF events, and I hope you enjoyed the show. Got some nuggets of information and that we talk again real soon. Bye.

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